Yes. I've waited too late. Trying to weed through the comments and reports of who was at fault for what has buried the actual stats and I'm really confused. I've read countless articles and still don't know who actually won the race in Sepang. Can someone give me a quick elementary level breakdown of the facts? Mmmm, thanks.
Its confusing and awesome all at the same time.
Sepang race results: 1. Pedrosa 2. Lorenzo 3. Rossi
Current points 1. Rossi 312 points 2. Lorenzo 305 points
This Sunday is the final race at Valencia, Spain 6:30 am our time
Sunday, Nov. 8 – Grand Prix of Valencia (7:30 a.m. ET, LIVE FOX Sports 1)
· Moto3 (2 p.m. ET, SDD, FOX Sports 2)
· Moto2 (5 p.m. ET, SDD, FOX Sports 2)
I personally think Marquez got himself in a situation that backfired on him. Rossi slowed and forced him outside but MM made the initial contact, which was avoidable. MM crashed out of the race. Rossi finished in 3rd but was penalized 3 points. With the 1 point that he received earlier in the year, the combined 4 points on his license is a mandatory start from the rear. The start from the rear at Valencia is not a direct penalty from Sepang but an accumulated penalty.
Rossi has filed an appeal to Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) to overthrow the judgement. They have promised their ruling by Friday.
This article is a pretty good breakdown.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/02/rossi-lorenzo-s-epic-title-fight-all-comes-down-to-this/188665
I have full intentions of getting my butt up and watching this one unfold live. 6:30am start will be early. If Rossi comes from the rear to win the championship it will be nothing short of spectacular. I really hope Lorenzo doesn't crash out and hand it to him though.
Dani Pedarosa won, lorenzo second, rossi third.
All rossi has to do to win the championship is finish second.
Mully, you've got the points backwards. Rossi has 312, Lorenzo has 305.
Quote from: norton73 on November 02, 2015, 10:05:36 AM
Mully, you've got the points backwards. Rossi has 312, Lorenzo has 305.
I know that. It's corrected.
Thanks guys. I don't have cable. What time is breakfast served this Sunday? 😎
The Sepang incident has been a very angry discussion since the moment it happened. The Rossi supporters are throughly convinced that he did no wrong and are furious at the Race Director decision that he did indeed intentionally cause Marquez to crash. It all began in the Thursday press confrence with accusations of collusion between Marquez and Lorenzo to deny Rossi the 2015 title. Frankly, Rossi came off as a whiner for doing that. Subsequent dispariging remarks against Marquez were what fueled the thrilling opening laps of the race, Marquez going all out to stay in front of Rossi while Rossi was frustrated that Marquez would be motivated to do so.
For me, the most damning piece of evidence against Rossi is the fact that Rossi looks very carefully to find Marquez, deliberately alters his line and slow his speed to push Marquez off the track. In the first opportunity to speak following the race, Rossi claims that he was altering his line to "achieve a better drive out of the corner". Utterly laughable. The bottom line is that he sought to play a mind game on Marquez but it backfired. Marquez rode with fire and it was Rossi who couldn't control his frustration and decided to lash out.
Now, if Rossi were able to overcome the last row start to win the title, it would be an emphatic statement of dominance and ability to rise up under great pressure. And it should be noted that Marquez has accomplished that very feat, so there is a direct comparison to be had here.
Quote from: Chitza on November 02, 2015, 10:39:29 AM
Thanks guys. I don't have cable. What time is breakfast served this Sunday? 😎
no cable either.
I'm a cheap sob, I watch flattrack on fans choice because it's free. With so many other things to do on the weekends, I don't want to feel compelled to watch tv because I paid for it.
I don't have cable either.
Borrow someones cable, Directv or Dishnetwork login information and watch on the web.
www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/motogp-honda-claims-rossi-kicked-marquez-s-brake-lever-110215
Pardon me. I am humbled. Rossi is the goat. If he can kick Marquez's front brake lever at that speed, while preparing to corner, all others should hang it up.
And imma just leave this right here:
Quote from: Mulley on November 02, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
I don't have cable either.
Borrow someones cable, Directv or Dishnetwork login information and watch on the web.
www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/
Hmmm..I think I know where i can get one.
Imma just leave this right here...
Jorge Lorenzo is the 2015 MotoGP World Champion.
Decisively so. First place flag to flag. Out of 30 laps only about 5 were above the 1:31 lap time.
I was just watching for the ass shots any way.
Yall see how Marquez didn't even challenge lorenzo the whole race but blocked and slowed down his own teammate Pedrosa when he took a charge on lorenzo. Not to mention what happened in Malaysia. I think mm and lorenzo where in cahoots to have a Spanish champion. Im not saying Rossi would have won but it would have been nice to see the 2 championship contenders to be able to battle out the last race on equal grounds to prove who was the better rider. Even though lorenzo won the championship the majority of the motogp fans hate Marquez and have little respect for lorenzo. It made a big statement when every time rossi made a pass the spanish crowd went wild when the 3 race leaders were Spaniards. Rossi is the peoples champ. I hope Marquez has plenty of security guards at all times, there are plenty of motogp fans that want his head.
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I lost a lot if respect for Marquez in this crap. I really liked Lorenzo in his first few seasons but not so much now. He didn't do anything wrong on the track but he was vocal about his own teammate deserving a stiffer penalty. That's not cool. I guess you can say I'm on the Rossi bandwagon.
The race had potential to be awesome. You can't tell me that Pedrosa was able to make up over 2 seconds in a matter of a few laps but MM couldn't even attempt to pass Lorenzo. Rossi did all he could and a fine job getting up to fourth. He was dependant on a mistake at the front. Lorenzo rode a great, smooth race and without really being pushed by MM a mistake wasn't going to happen. Pedrosa got there a few laps top late to make it really interesting. At that point it was too late for him to really go for it although he did make one good attempt to pass MM. I'm guessing that Rossi's tires were probably done by the time he caught Pedrosa and had no chance of passing anyone else so he had to settle for 4th.
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All jokes aside Lorenzo is a fantastic rider and a worthy champion. Just a crappy teammate.
Quote from: matthew.j.riley1 on November 08, 2015, 11:50:59 AM
Yall see how Marquez didn't even challenge lorenzo the whole race but blocked and slowed down his own teammate Pedrosa when he took a charge on lorenzo. Not to mention what happened in Malaysia. I think mm and lorenzo where in cahoots to have a Spanish champion. Im not saying Rossi would have won but it would have been nice to see the 2 championship contenders to be able to battle out the last race on equal grounds to prove who was the better rider. Even though lorenzo won the championship the majority of the motogp fans hate Marquez and have little respect for lorenzo. It made a big statement when every time rossi made a pass the spanish crowd went wild when the 3 race leaders were Spaniards. Rossi is the peoples champ. I hope Marquez has plenty of security guards at all times, there are plenty of motogp fans that want his head.
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In the interview after the race, Pedrosa stated that he made a mistake during his pass attempt on Marquez. Rossi can be the
people's champ, Lorenzo's name will still be engraved on the MotoGP trophy long after both are dead and gone.
And the drama continues.
www.sportrider.com/rossi-continues-accusations-marquez-lorenzo-pedrosa-and-jarvis-respond
"If you see the statistics compared to our rival we beat him in everything..."
Jorge Lorenzo.
That pretty much sums it up. One can go all in fanboy and try to lessen Lorenzos accomplishment because they are a diehard Rossi acolyte, but it doesn't change the outcomes. Rossi created the mess he wound up in, further complaining on his part makes him look bitter and petty, not the way a champion of his stature should be acting.
I like Rossi. I like his personality and the way he deals with people and fame.
That said, and regarding all the recent hoopla, I decided years ago to never get heavily invested as a spectator, in any form of sporting event. I watch whatever I watch for the entertainment value and hope for some really impressive displays of talent and maybe some dramatic moments.
I watched the race and was hoping for a more climactic, dramatic finish. But such was not to be the case.
They are all incredible riders and provide for some awesome spectator moments, and that's where it stops for me. The extenuating circumstances are relevant to me only so far as their impact on the event. After that, it has no bearing on my life and my happiness.
Going back a few weeks, I think both MM and VR should have been penalized, or neither should have been. But what I think doesn't matter. And that's part of the reason I don't get too invested in spectator events: What I think and what I do has no bearing on the event so I choose to let the event have no bearing on me - beyond the entertainment value it offers.
Lorenzo's name will be on the trophy, but (as Mulley commented to me) "there will be an asterisk beside it."
If not literally, then in the eyes of many Moto GP fans.
I agree with Brian here. I seldom watch sports on TV. I'd rather go out and do things myself. I watched part of this race but then the choice was to watch the end of the race or leave to get down to Al's place in time for the RFP. I chose to go ride.
I also like Rossi. I'm guessing that years in the future he will be remembered much more than any of the other riders from this year's races.
I can't get with the "asterisk" notion. A championship is won over the full season, with many factors leading to the final result. In the 68 years of Gran Prix motorcycle roadracing that has occurred since its founding in 1947, there are ample opportunities to affix asterisks if one so chooses to do so. All an asterisk does is make someone feel good over a perception that a person they don't like is "diminished" compared to the person that they do like.
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I ran across this article. One of the best objective pieces I have read.
It does a very good job of acknowledging the good and bad of the personalities involved while at the same time, providing what I think is a good assessment of the empirical aspects of the championship.
http://rtrsports.co.uk/rossi-lorenzo-and-the-truth-we-wont-admit/
Good article, especially the inclusion of the facts that backed up JL99's statement about "beating his rival in everything". It's been kind of funny to read all the predictions of "DOOM!" should VR46 decide to leave MotoGP. Stars have come and gone, yet the series still remains. How does the quote go: "The graveyards are filled with indispensable men". The truth is that if MM93 ascends to the level it looks like he's capable of reaching, the throng will gravitate to him eagerly. People love a winner.
The 2016 season should be very interesting. The teams and riders are going to have to come to grips with the transition from Bridgestone to Michelin tires, so all that meticulously collected data over the past several years isn't going to help them. Each track will be a new experience and challenge. Couple that with the appearance of the Moto2 graduates who will be eager to prove themselves, Round 1 of 2016 can't get here soon enough.