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We have all seen the abuse. We have witnessed the decline of civilization. We are on the brink of destruction, and any day this house of cards will collapse. As a society, we are all riding towards the abyss, and the pile of carcasses continues to grow bigger.
So what am I talking about?
Abuse....pure and simple.The carcasses are everywhere.
Polluting our planet.
Blocking the trails.
Rusting away in makeshift cemeteries.
The bodies of your old friends.
Not even vultures care to dine on the decay.
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So you have concern, but you don't know what YOU can do about it?
Have no fear.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD09hcBxRdQ
Save your old friends, and start the green revolution today. Reply to this thread to see how you can get involved, or message @bblass for details of The Initiative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYfphqwmpyU
Most of whats needed can be found...on Amazon, where else?
https://www.amazon.com/Electric-Brushless-Complete-Controller-Motorcycle/dp/B07G2LZHD8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1534704877&sr=8-8&keywords=batteries+for+electric+motorcycle
https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Max-Battery-Razor-MX350/dp/B019FW70LA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534705033&sr=8-2&keywords=batteries+for+electric+motorcycle&dpID=41HzCDjAjML&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
Nice! about all I can donate is a set of 1/2 used dual sport tires.
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Now that is fantastic! :D
Great video Don. Great pucker Ben.
More why I had in mind when the shop donated the bike. Not just buying cookie cutter parts. Though that is an option and would cut the build time down.
@springer
Quote from: LawnmowerRG on August 20, 2018, 02:28:05 PM
More why I had in mind when the shop donated the bike. Not just buying cookie cutter parts. Though that is an option and would cut the build time down. @springer
@LawnmowerRG You need way more than an old motor made from an alternator. A rheostat and wiring to replace the throttle, a
controller to accept the signal from the rheostat and give proportional current/voltage out. (
that is shown in the video) You will also need a source of power, like batteries.
This kit gets you a Mosfet controller (Mosfet, mostest important), and a brush-less DC motor . (same link as shown above /\)
https://www.amazon.com/Electric-Brushless-Complete-Controller-Motorcycle/dp/B07G2LZHD8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1534704877&sr=8-8&keywords=batteries+for+electric+motorcycle.
Sure, you could use heavy lead cell batteries but weight is also important...veryly important as it will affect the range of the motorcycle. As in an electric anything mobile, range is also veryly important...unless you just want to ride up and down your driveway.
The batteries linked above /\ can be linked into more a bigger pack, so there is more range...with way less weight
BTW, as being an electronic/electrical tech for the past 30 or so years in an industrial envorment, I have worked around ALL that/\ and I had a good rep for repairing and setting up drive systems like the one needed here.
It doesn't matter if the final drive (that would be the drive wheel(s) of the motorcycle being contemplated here) of the machine are pneumatic rubber tires, rollers on a conveyor, or belts to transfer product, they all have to go round and round in a controlled manner.
Matter of fact, the guy in that /\ video sorta screwed up.
I think a moare better way would have been to wire it up as a regenerative braking motor. That way instead of displacing the wasted energy as heat like a brake on a motorcycle/car/truck, it could be converted back into energy to provide a charge to the system.
There are a few electric vehicles that already do that, ya know??
You can never get 100% back, but every little bit helps.
If this is going to be a
group project, I am in. ;)
If this is going to be a
I am in charge type of thing well I will just bail out now. ;) ;) The only boss I will work for is one that pays me...ya know? :D
No no don't mistake me for discounting your experience. I was hoping you were in on this. I have a very basic knowledge of how it works. Maybe enough to get up and down my driveway. Your experience is greatly appreciated Harvey. Just can't have my work looking to profetional. >:(
@dredman did a terrific job turning those ramblings into something coherent and the Elon Musk cut was gold!
The goal of this is for it to be a fun group project where we can all learn something for the lowest investment possible. Maybe we can get together and discuss a plan to plan this Thursday night.
Thanks for the link Springer! That kit looks awesome!
that's a big project to understand, let alone undertake.
you have a welder, so the battery cages and mounting sould be pretty easy to fabricate. I can help with that part, it's all knuckle dragging stupid stuff anyway. don't set yourself on fire or drink the acid kind of stuff.
the electric crap (which is 90% of this project!) needs to be assigned to a few people that know what the hell they're doing. you know, so it don't let the magic smoke out n stuff.
gearing n stuff is even dumber than the fabrication, so whoever has a screwdriver not stuck in their eye already, can probably handle that.
or maybe I need to stand off to the side and act like I'm doing something with a camera instead screwing a flock of pooches
? whatever, sounds like fun.
https://youtu.be/2jBnSSCwyFk
Last night we made many plans and even got a few leads on where to look for heavily discounted or donated equipment. Almost as important, we came up with a few names!
The nominees are below. Vote for your favorite by posting and whoever came up with the one chosen by the forum will make a small donation towards the project.
The Electric Boogaloo
Ol'Sparky
Freebie
Lightning
Lead Belly
Something for Nothing
Hard to Follow
Don't let the Smoke Out
DR Flair
P-250D
Come join us at the next Thursday night wrench club and be a part of the project!
And don't forget, we're happy to come haul away anything you want to donate
Don't let the smoke out.
So by posting this /\ I am voting for this name, right?
Quote from: springer on August 24, 2018, 11:20:55 AM
So by posting this /\ I am voting for this name, right?
Yessir!
this guy might have some insight as to what to use, pitfalls, etc and it looks like a very similar build starting with a drz
https://youtu.be/jNKZKEms0PU
The Electric Boogaloo
Always gotta go with the one that's the most fun to say.
For those interested. There is a lot of info on this site also.
http://www.elmoto.net/
I vote for DR Flair
And you have to wear a Boa when you ride it.
Quote from: bblass on August 24, 2018, 10:55:46 AM
Last night we made many plans and even got a few leads on where to look for heavily discounted or donated equipment. Almost as important, we came up with a few names!
The nominees are below. Vote for your favorite by posting and whoever came up with the one chosen by the forum will make a small donation towards the project.
The Electric Boogaloo
Ol'Sparky
Freebie
Lightning
Lead Belly
Something for Nothing
Hard to Follow
Don't let the Smoke Out
DR Flair
P-250D
Come join us at the next Thursday night wrench club and be a part of the project!
And don't forget, we're happy to come haul away anything you want to donate
not on the list but
Shock-a-lot (Ride it till it Hertz)
a dude on ADVRider offered up a free motor (72 volts) but we would have to rethink the battery situation.
Just throwing it out there:
QuoteHey guys,
I've been building electric bikes for a LONG time and have a lot of used and leftover parts. Would you be interested in a "Motenergy ME0709"
Power: 8 cont-- 19 pk hp
Voltage: 72 Volt rated
Speed: 3700 rpm @ 72v unloaded
Size: 8" OD, 6.5" long (w/o shaft)
Shaft: 7/8"x 1-3/4", 3/16" key
Weight: 36 lbs.
LINK-> https://www.electricmotorsport.com/ev-parts/motors/brushed-motors/emc-rt-me0709-pmdc-motor-24-72v-8-hp-cont-19-hp-pk.html (https://www.electricmotorsport.com/ev-parts/motors/brushed-motors/emc-rt-me0709-pmdc-motor-24-72v-8-hp-cont-19-hp-pk.html)
I blew up two brush packs in this motor. I realized I was pushing the boundaries of what this motor can handle and upgraded to a ME1003.
I will mail you the ME0709 motor for FREE along with two brush-packs, both brush-packs have issues but you can piece together ONE good brush pack with patience. I will clean up the commutator before mailing it.
Please let me know if this interests you.
-Tony
That's an affordable motor, from what I've read a 72v motor and leaf batts are the way to go.
Quote from: dredman on August 26, 2018, 10:09:12 AM
a dude on ADVRider offered up a free motor (72 volts) but we would have to rethink the battery situation.
Just throwing it out there:
do it, collect it, free is great. let's getting started on charging and controlling solutions to support it. the say it arrives we should at least have cardboard templates and all eyes on it's location/mounts before we leave.
Did a little research on ebay this weekend. Looks like Leaf batteries are around $100/cell. 3 would get us to 1.5KW and 72 volts which should be about right for this motor and about the same price as Optimas. Down side is we'll need to devise a charging apparatus.
Should be fun!
Quote from: bblass on August 27, 2018, 08:12:26 AM
Did a little research on ebay this weekend. Looks like Leaf batteries are around $100/cell. 3 would get us to 1.5KW and 72 volts which should be about right for this motor and about the same price as Optimas. Down side is we'll need to devise a charging apparatus.
Should be fun!
Ball is rolling!
@dredman, did the guy get back to you about a battery pack? Didn't he have 1 to sell?
Quote from: bblass on August 27, 2018, 08:12:26 AM
Did a little research on ebay this weekend. Looks like Leaf batteries are around $100/cell. 3 would get us to 1.5KW and 72 volts which should be about right for this motor and about the same price as Optimas. Down side is we'll need to devise a charging apparatus.
Should be fun!
Not to mention 20% of the weight - glad to see reason has entered into the engineering! :D
Quote from: springer on August 27, 2018, 08:43:02 AM
Ball is rolling! @dredman, did the guy get back to you about a battery pack? Didn't he have 1 to sell?
Shipping this week, expecting a $50+ shipping tab, but that is a bargain considering this is a $500 motor :o