I don't understand this issue. I see it posted all over FB several times a month, but we've never discussed it here.
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Personally, I believe that...
1) "Grass is just like ice..." = hyperbole, which hurts the author's argument.
2) Training and practice will allow you to ride on any surface.
3) Proper gear will prevent road rash.
4) Take some responsibility for your own skills and safety, or don't ride at all.
Your thoughts?
I don't think I've ever had a problem with "green ice" before. I see this type stuff come up on Facebook and I have to wonder what the whole story is (ie.speed,riding experience,other road conditions,etc?) An $89 Bilt jacket would have eliminated months of pain and suffering. But to each their own.
I agree and #4 is the most important point in your list.
Posts like this on FB never tell the full story. Sometimes the picture isn't even related to the "problem". Did this guy really hit grass and wreck, or is the pic just used in attempt to stir the FB pot.
I mow grass the touches 700 feet of Hwy 65. I always make the first 2 passes blowing the grass away from the road, but there is usually a little grass will get on the road. I'm waiting on the day when one of the "angry rider" stop to say something. Then I can demonstrate how a 60 yo can ride a Harley through the clippings at speed. lol
The phenomenon I call the Angry Rider, they ride to look for something to get upset about. You never hear, "That was a great ride". You only hear all the problems they had interfere with their ride.
When I see that posted I immediately judge the person who posted it. Either they don't ride at all or they should really get some training.
Of all the things to worry about while riding, this is like picking the fly shit out of the pepper.
Funny thing is, I've also seen posts decrying the "Green Death" on the ADV forum. The same guys that traverse dirt, mud and gravel are apparently stymied by grass clippings on asphalt.
The cases I've seen pic'ed on FB and ADV are more likely a product of rider panic and inappropriate reaction than actual reduced traction caused by the debris.
Probably the topic following the lay er down conversation at the local Hog chapter!
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I find them annoying but not that dangerous. On the other hand, if you have your bike layed over hard in a blind turn and hit a thick layer of grass that you can't see, you will crash. The same applies to gravel, sand, leaves. I don't go charging into blind corners but many people do.
Are we talking light spray of clipping or a green roadway where asphalt is unseen due to grass. Off road tires or street tires? A 900 lbs. bike with touring tires on the straight road all you get is a green radiator cover added. In a curve a green highway is like sand. The thicker the slicker.
Honestly, I treat anything in the roadway no matter what or how much like it is the thing that is going to kill me. That's gravel, sand, tire rubber, other vehicles, water, pedestrians, soda bottles, oil, grass clippings, etc. I try to avoid anything that isn't road.
Black Walnuts, I hate those things.(in the road).
generally it tells me that Facebook user x does not ride motorcycles, and they repost everything relating to their friends hobbies they can.
unless it's enough to fill a round bale, i don't see it being a problem. rider skill and speed send to be the most common issue.
Blowing the grass in the road is just laziness. I have not noticed a loss of traction if riding normal on dual sports or my Sportster.
Never have understood this one either? Maybe - MAYBE - thick, wet Bermuda grass could cause an issue, in a turn, under perfect conditions. But outside of that, the coefficient of friction and the math just doesn't work out? I'm jumping on the rider error bandwagon. You wrecked because you panicked and locked up the brakes, not because you hit grass...
Quote from: jrobinson on June 01, 2019, 07:30:42 AM
I agree and #4 is the most important point in your list.
Posts like this on FB never tell the full story. Sometimes the picture isn't even related to the "problem". Did this guy really hit grass and wreck, or is the pic just used in attempt to stir the FB pot.
I mow grass the touches 700 feet of Hwy 65. I always make the first 2 passes blowing the grass away from the road, but there is usually a little grass will get on the road. I'm waiting on the day when one of the "angry rider" stop to say something. Then I can demonstrate how a 60 yo can ride a Harley through the clippings at speed. lol
The phenomenon I call the Angry Rider, they ride to look for something to get upset about. You never hear, "That was a great ride". You only hear all the problems they had interfere with their ride.
this^^^^
angry rider will spoil a good ride every time. I'll call them out now, and tell them to stop complaining. better to address the jerk and let em know this is GOING TO BE FUN with or without their whining. ;-)
Well...okay... so here is my thoughts about this.
Some of y'all didn't study much in school. :D Must have been like me...always setting in the back of the class passing notes n stuff. :D :D
Grass is that green stuff that is out in your yard scattered in with the weeds n stuff. Folks cut it, sometimes blowing it out in the road. Yes, it can be slick when its wet, if it is in a sharp curve you need to slow down a bit before you go through it. Just like any buttock clinching moment on a motorcycle, panicking is a bad thing. Relax, slow down, do not slam on the brakes, try not to lean the motorcycle over to far, and most of the time, you are okay. ;)
Now about that school comment that just might have you scratching you head. I had this teacher in grammar school who would always say, "Pay Attention" to what I say.
Of course, we didn't...or I didn't. ;)
She handed out this test one time but before she handed out the test, she said to "read the entire test BEFORE you answer ANY questions ON the test.
Of course I didn't. She handed it out before recess and I wanted to play, so I started right in on it.
Imagine my surprise when I got to the last question.
It said Do not take this test. Wait 15 minutes, hand it in to me, and go out side and play. :D :D :D
That applies here. I just said a prayer of thanks to that teacher.
Grass clippings can be a pain.
GLASS clippings will cut your tires in a New York minute.
Somebody typed the wrong word or was just seeing who can read. :D :D :D
Lets see how long it takes. :D :D :D :D
Hopefully they do not change the title....I got a good laugh from this. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: springer on June 03, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Grass clippings can be a pain....
GLASS clippings will cut your tires in a New York minute...
Somebody typed the wrong word or was just seeing who can read. :D :D :D
Oops! It was just a typo, and nobody caught it except you!
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As much as I would like to see growth in the riding population, we have a serious headwind with declining skill and common sense.
Fresh grass clippings in a curve is more than rider skill. Weight of bike, bike weight high or low of center, tire thread, tire compound, speed of approach, and angle of lean all come into play with rider skill when you try to comment to a question like this. No two people and no two bikes will handle the scenario the same. 8)
only problem I have is if a bike is in front of me I get a face full of grass debris. It's not as slick as ice. Wet leaves and straw is slick.... but not grass.... IMO
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That's gold!
I have been riding for 39 years. I haven't crashed on grass in the road yet. That's all I have to say about that.
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Quote from: Nice Goat on June 04, 2019, 01:47:46 PM
As much as I would like to see growth in the riding population, we have a serious headwind with declining skill and common sense.
What is need is some Kone Killing. Nothing breeds confidence more than killing some evil kones.
Quote from: springer on June 10, 2019, 08:08:05 AM
What is need is some Kone Killing. Nothing breeds confidence more than killing some evil kones.
Can we set up a course with grass clippings?
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Quote from: maydaymike on June 13, 2019, 01:00:12 PM
Can we set up a course with grass clippings?
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Sure! We can even set it up on grass!! Anyone know of a good victim with a big yard? :D
Quote from: springer on June 13, 2019, 02:43:48 PM
Sure! We can even set it up on grass!! Anyone know of a good victim with a big yard? :D
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https://www.rideapart.com/articles/354928/grass-clipping-deadly-motorcycle-crash/?fbclid=IwAR2IObRm56q3Ak5roLckXHvxKp2OkvxvF5aeFdkVF6XRS3qLfQKzGs4DIJ0
I'm going to go out on a limb and say grass clippings in the road wasn't the root cause of this fatality....
Quote from: Hammerdown77 on June 17, 2019, 09:01:23 AM
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/354928/grass-clipping-deadly-motorcycle-crash/?fbclid=IwAR2IObRm56q3Ak5roLckXHvxKp2OkvxvF5aeFdkVF6XRS3qLfQKzGs4DIJ0
I'm going to go out on a limb and say grass clippings in the road wasn't the root cause of this fatality....
I agree. Grass in the road is a Hazard but the cause of the crash was the riders inability to deal with that hazard.
This report makes it sound like asshattery and lack of attention.
https://www.bcrnews.com/2019/06/14/mineral-township-crash-fatal-to-canton-motorcyclist/aafhjwq/ (https://www.bcrnews.com/2019/06/14/mineral-township-crash-fatal-to-canton-motorcyclist/aafhjwq/)
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As they approached the intersection with 270 East Street, they had to drive into the middle of the road to avoid grass clippings that had been deposited along the southern portion of the eastbound lane and extending half the way into the lane of travel.
As they passed the approximately eighth-mile stretch of debris, they observed the property owner still mowing grass onto the road.
According to the report, Thomas Zeglen was on the lead motorcycle and slowed to exchange finger gestures with the property owner. As he let off of the throttle and began to slow, Cheryl Zeglen was unaware he was doing so and struck the right rear saddle bag of Thomas Zeglen's motorcycle.
Both lost control, overturned onto the road, and were thrown off their motorcycles. Neither motorcycle received disabling damage, but Cheryl Zeglen sustained major head injuries. She was transported from the scene by ambulance and was pronounced dead two days later.
Thomas Zeglen refused medical attention. It was not reported whether Zeglen was wearing a helmet or other riding gear.
That article makes it sound like a lower speed crash. The fact that she received major head injuries also points toward her not wearing a helmet.
But no, the grass clippings need to be regulated...
Quote from: Hammerdown77 on June 18, 2019, 12:15:00 AM
That article makes it sound like a lower speed crash. The fact that she received major head injuries also points toward her not wearing a helmet.
But no, the grass clippings need to be regulated...
When grass clippings are outlawed, only outlaws will have them!
If you just had the oil from the grass would you still get high...sided?
Oh wait..never mind 8)